Hoover’s Mill (aka Rush’s Mill, Arnold’s Mill, Skeen’s Mill)

Every historic site has both a public and a private history.   In the case of this mill site on Covered Bridge Road in Tabernacle Township, I have a thirty-year personal association that gives me an intimate knowledge of it.  In the summer of 1975 I participated in the archeological excavation of the Mt. Shepherd Pottery which is located about a mile southeast of this site.  At that time the Skeen’s Mill Covered Bridge still stood on Covered Bridge Road, and I convinced some friends to join me in an expedition up the Uwharrie to see if we could discover if there was actually a mill anywhere around the Skeen’s Mill Bridge.  Over the course of an afternoon we not only found a site of surprising natural beauty, but well-preserved evidence of an elaborate mill seat.  And a “For Sale” sign.

Not knowing anything more than that, I convinced my parents to return with me the next weekend, and eventually prevailed upon them to purchase the tract which included the entire junction of the Uwharrie and Little Uwharrie Rivers.  After graduating from college and returning home, I actually lived in a trailer perched high above the site of the dam for two years while researching and writing my architectural history of Randolph County.   The property is still owned by my family.  But for two hundred and thirteen years previously, it had been owned by a parade of other people, and it has taken me years to piece together not just the history of this one tract of land, but the story of the surrounding neighborhood, part of what has been called the “Uwharrie Dutch” community, where this mill and the Mt. Shepherd Pottery were commercial landmarks.

Map of the "Uwharrie Dutch" region from MESDA Journal

The historic layout of the property took some time to puzzle out.  State Road 1406 runs from Hoover Hill Road on the East to Tabernacle Church Road on the West; and the one-hundred-foot-long Skeen’s Mill Covered Bridge (Tabernacle Township Site 18 in my architectural history) spanned the Uwharrie River about twenty feet north of its modern replacement.  It was built before March 1900, when C.T. Hughes was paid $11 for “repairing the bridge at N.R. Skeen’s.”  The bridge was one of only three remaining in North Carolina when it was placed on the National Register of Historic Places in the 1960s, but it was unappreciated and neglected by its nonresident owner and was destroyed by high water about the year 1984.

The mill was located to the South of both the covered bridge and modern bridge, about 150 feet from the road.  The foundations trace the footprint of a building thirty by fifty feet in plan, with its western side built into the side of a hill where the miller’s house  stood about fifty feet above and 200 feet southwest.  What was initially very confusing is that the mill race ran in the opposite direction that it should have if the dam was located anywhere near the covered bridge.  The tail race obviously flowed back into the Uwharrie River downstream from the bridge, but the head race was dug into the side of the hill, ending at least twenty feet above the mill perfectly situated for an overshot water wheel.  But the race ran south, curling around the hill at the foot of the miller’s house until it bent into a horseshoe shape and began running in a canal paralleling the Little Uwharrie River, where we finally found the evidence of head gates and a dam.

Only iron bolts drilled into the river bed indicate the location of the dam, which ran diagonally across the Little Uwharrie at a 50-degree angle to the flow.  Water was funneled into the head gates, and then ran in a horseshoe-shaped canal approximately 1,340 feet around the hill to the site of the mill, a very impressive engineering achievement for some unknown millwright.   Parts of two sets of mills stones were then in evidence, made of the individually-quarried blocks set in plaster that were characteristic of “French Buhr” stones.   The road which crossed the Uwharrie at the covered bridge stopped at the mill and then continued South, parallel to the river, in deeply-cut double tracks, one wide enough for a horse and wagon, the other just wide enough for a horse.  The tracks converged to cross the Little Uwharrie at a ford just northwest of the confluence, and then continued south west.

Research into previous ownership was the first order of research, beginning with the most recent and going backwards.  The recent history of the entire neighborhood was clear:  the surrounding lots had first been sold  in 1963 as part of the “Thayer Plantation” subdivision (See Plat Book 10, Page 116, Randolph County Registry).   Lee C. Thayer was the operator of a sawmill located on the railroad in Trinity, and owned hundreds of acres in Trinity and Tabernacle townships.  He lived in the Queen Anne style Victorian house at the northwest corner of Covered Bridge and Thayer Roads which was the center of a tract totaling more than 350 acres.  When the business hit bad times, the land was sold , roads were pushed out into the woods and hundreds of small lots were sold at auction.

The Thayers acquired the mill tract in 1943 (DB 386/PG 340); for the previous  thirty years it had been owned by the family of Julian Pearce, who bought it at auction in 1910 (DB134/PG276).  The auction had settled the estate of J.R. Skeen, son of Noah R. Skeen for whom the covered bridge was named.   The Skeen Mill tract consisted of 52 acres on both rivers, and included a tract “bought by N.R. Skeen from John Hill known as Boy Hill in the forks of the two prongs of Uwharrie River just below the Skeen Mill…”

Reaching back into the 19th century the information grew sketchier, but Skeen acquired the mill about 1890 from Penuel Arnold, who bought “Rush’s Mills” from the Estate of Nineveh Rush in 1881 (DB58,P352).  An article from The Courier of 1934 described Rush’s Mills: “the Little Uwharrie came down on the top of a hill just west of Big Uwharrie.  And 120 rods before it emptied into the bigger river it was forty feet higher on a level than the big river.  So Rush, with the help of his slaves, built a small dam on the hill, plowed and shoveled a canal or race around the hill and landed the water on a 20-foot wheel which operated a long saw placed so as to give it speed up and down.”  The grist mill was forty feet further down the race, where “two sets of stones were put in, one for wheat and one for corn.  When it rained enough they could run the saw and the grist mill at the same time.  When rains let up they could not run either one.”  (R.C. Welborn, “First Saw Mill in Tabernacle Dates Back to 1820”)

Rush bought the mill and 300 acres in February 1826 from the Estate of Jacob Hoover (DB16, P319).  Jacob Hoover (b. 1754) had acquired 35 acres, including “the mill seat where Jacob Hoover now lives… in the fork of the Uwharrie”  in October 1794 from the estate of his father Andrew Hoover (DB7, P263).  Andrew Hoover was the anglicized name of Andres Huber, who had purchased 275 acres on both forks of the Uwharrie from Henry Eustace McCulloh in February 1763, when the area was still part of Rowan County (see Rowan DB5, P343).

Andreas Huber was born January 23, 1723 in Ellerstadt, now part of the German Palatine.  As the ninth child of a vintner, Huber saw little opportunity at home, and at age 15 he arrived at Philadelphia.  He lived with a brother in Lancaster County until age 22, when he married Margaret Pfautz and moved to Carroll County, Maryland.  By 1763 he and his large family had settled on the Uwharrie.   After the Revolution he turned the mill at the forks over to son Jacob and moved further down the Uwharrie to the Jackson Creek area, where he died and is buried in the Hoover cemetery. (See Genealogy of the Herbert Hoover Family by Hulda Hoover McLean, published by the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, 1967).

Nothing much was heard of Andrew thereafter until 1928, when his 3rd great- grandson Herbert Clark Hoover was elected President of the United States.  Though Herbert Hoover had been born and bred in Iowa, his distant cousins and proud Republican brethren of Randolph County didn’t miss the opportunity to turn the President’s ancestor into a modern folk hero.  A 1928 story by T.M. Pridgen published in the Charlotte News (“Myths of Prowess of early Hoovers along Uwharrie”) declared that Andrew Hoover was a Quaker and neighbor of Daniel Boone, and Hoover’s mill was “an important granary of the Revolution.”  “The story goes that Andrew Hoover was not afraid of man, beast or devil; that he climbed to the top of Eagle Nest Rock when others were afraid to; that he swam the raging Uwharrie to save the lives of his horses; and he set out to face the headless horseman on the Uwharrie trails, and braved the other ghostly figures that moved like lost souls down the valley.”

It is doubtful whether any of those florid claims are real.   Far from being supporters of the Revolution, the Hoovers were part of the German Pacifist community that clustered around this area of the Uwharrie during the 18th century.  I have written about this before in my article on the Mt. Shepherd pottery [http://www.archive.org/stream/journalofearlyso0601muse#page/20/mode/2up/search/21 ]  Historian John Scott Davenport has extensively researched the area, and asserts that though President Hoover was a Quaker, “the Uwharrie Dutch were predominately Dunker and Mennonite.  The Uwharrie Dunkers [German Baptists] were the largest settlement of that sect in North Carolina, 1778-1782.  Their minister was Jacob Stutzman, who bought Ramsey’s Place from Henry Eustace McCulloh in 1764, and led the congregation until he moved to Clark County, Indiana Territory, in 1801…. Dunkers did not have meeting houses until the mid-19th century; hence Mast’s Old Meeting House [across the Uwharrie just east of Hoover’s Mill; see DB10, P5) was a Mennonite church.  Mennonites, called “Dutch Friends” by the Quakers, fellow-shipped with Quakers, appeared occasionally as witnesses to Quaker weddings.  The Dunkers would have nothing to do with Quakers.  Land problems, brought about by their rigid pacifism during the Revolution, and the influx of Quakers into the Uwharrie following the Revolution, were largely responsible for the removal of the Dunkers from Randolph County.”  (Letter dated November 12, 1976, in the Hoover files of the Randolph Room)

Jacob Hoover (1754-1821) married Elizabeth Stutzman, a daughter of the Dunker minister, and it is likely that his mother Margaret Pfautz was also a member of the congregation.  But Andrew’s family must not have been as strict as others, as their numerous deeds were all properly sworn to and recorded.  It is said that disastrous floods in 1795 and 1798 caused all of Andrew’s children but Jacob and Jonas to move west to Indiana.  Jacob ran and rebuilt the mill, which was alternately washed away by a flood and destroyed by fire, until he was crippled in an accident during a flood.   It seems likely that the unusual configuration of the present mill race stems from a desire to protect it from flood waters; a breach of the dam on the Little Uwharrie would never wash away the mill on the other side of the hill.

Finally, we can take one additional step further back into history:  the 1733 map of North Carolina by Surveyor General Edward Moseley (A New and Correct Map of the Province of North Carolina) depicts both Deep River and the Uwharrie, but the only landmark noted in the whole area of the county is in the forks of the Uwharrie: “Totero Fort.”  This is a reference to the Tutelo Indian tribe, which appears to be far south of where they had been visited in September 1661, when Thomas Batts and Abraham Wood led an expedition from Fort Henry (Petersburg, VA) to Totero Town (approximately where present-day Salem Va. is located).   In 1701 John Lawson visited the Keyauwee tribe living nearby on Caraway Creek at Ridge’s Mountain, but said nothing about any Tutelos.   It may be that attacks by the fierce Iroquois tribe forced the Tutelos to move South, but in 1714 the Occaneechi, Saponi, Eno, Totero and others relocated to Fort Christanna in Lawrenceville, Va.   More research is needed to confirm or deny this single tantalizing reference, but the location- the hill above the bottomland in the forks of the rivers- would be a natural defensive position for a palisaded village.

With a variety of documented stories spanning nearly 300 years, the Hoover Mill site is certainly a landmark of Randolph County history.

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41 Responses to “Hoover’s Mill (aka Rush’s Mill, Arnold’s Mill, Skeen’s Mill)”

  1. Bruce Allen Waymire Says:

    Several of Johann Ludolph’s Weymeyer’s (John Rudolph Waymire) children were mill wrights. They married extensively with the Hoovers. It is possible (but not provable so far as I know)that a Waymire Mill Wright desined and built the mill. It is also possible that they learned the trade from Hoover.

  2. Lisa Says:

    I tried earlier today to find Andrew Hoover’s gravesite w/ no luck. Where exactly is it?

    • macwhatley Says:

      It is on the northeast side of Jackson Creek Road, in the vicinity of Parker Mill Road. It lies in a field behind the houses that line Jackson Creek Road; I had to be taken to it by the private property owner 20 years ago. I think the current owner is Welta Harrelson at 5772 Jackson Creek Road, Denton. The Hoover cemetery is several miles south of the original Hoover mill site.

  3. Richard Says:

    The Hoovers did arrive in Philiadelphia as Huber, traveling from the Upper Palitinate area now part of modern day Germany where they lived for a couple generations. More generations prior to this lived in Switzerland after leaving an area now part of France where the name was likely Hubere as French Hugenots.

  4. Donovan (Mast) Beyeler Says:

    What an interesting article! In addition, I have been searching for the area of North Carolina where John Mast of 1740 (Mast’s Mennonite Meeting House; usually in those days they had church meetings in member homes just like they do today among the Old Order Amish) moved to about 1762-64. He was the brother of Bishop Jacob Mast of the Amish-Mennonite Church (closer followers of Jacob Amman than Mennonite at the time) both from near Guggisberg, Canton Bern, Switzerland. I have on CDs the birthdays/Christening Church Records in German script for their uncles, parents and ancestors back to 1570. … Now my next goal is to find the tombstones of John Mast and his wife in Randolph County and determine if they are in the vicinity of Tabernacle Township or even whether they are in the old Hoover Cemetery. Do I need to get this information from the Historian John Scott Davenport?

    • macwhatley Says:

      John Scott Davenport is elderly and has moved on to other subjects, and tells me he doesn’t have access to this info any more.
      I have never seen tombstones for any of the early Uwharrie German families. I think the earliest stones at the Tabernacle Meth. Church nearby are from the 1830s. Earlier markers would have been wooden, which decay, or just rocks, reminding family members who was buried where. When family members pass, the burials are forgotten. There are no 18th century cemeteries known in the area. The Hoover cemetery downriver certainly has no markers that go back that far. The markers for Andrew Hoover were put up by relatives in the 20th century.

      • Donovan (Mast) Beyeler Says:

        Thank you so much for taking the time to respond to my comments and questions! What you have presented is very helpful to me and for others who have been trying to find out more about John Mast and his wife. After considerable research, I believe she is Catherine (Catherina) Barbara Harmon (Herrmann) born in 1733 in the Netherlands and is very likely a twin to Hans Peter listed also as born in the Netherlands. They left Rotterdam on board the ship: Brigatine Richard and Elizabeth, arriving in Philadelphia, September 28, 1733. Catherina Barbara’s parents died near “Peaked Mountain” (Massanutten Peak/Mountain) near Harrisonburg, Virginia, Rockingham Co. in the Shenandoah Co. and also close to Augusta Co. where I grew up. …. I’ve read your interesting and impressive profile and your book, “The Architectural History of Randolph County, North Carolina”. You have much to be proud of! Someday I hope to pay Tabernacle Township and Randolph County a visit and enjoy this beautiful area of NC. Thanks again for your kind response.

    • M. Mayer Says:

      Mr. Beyeler, I am very interested in what information you may have on John Mast. He is my 6th great-grandfather on my maternal grandmother’s side. Would you email me at vrcmayer@gmail.com? Thank you! ! M. Mayer

      • Donovan Beyeler Says:

        Good to hear from you! I will reply to you with your email address as given. Please spend some time reviewing the discussion on (Facebook for: John Mast of North Carolina) where I’ve been posting considerably in recent months. This is not my Facebook account but is provided by another researcher and interested (and interesting) party. Don B

  5. Mattie Says:

    Did the covered bridge in the area just wash away or are parts of it still standing somewhere in the vicinity of the new bridge? I have asked around, and have actually heard that parts of it were moved by a “historical society,” but cannot seem to find more information about it. I moved to this area in the mid-90s and distinctly remember driving on a covered bridge in that general area later than 1995, although I can find no evidence to suggest that there was one in the area as late as the 90s. I recently visited Pisgah Covered Bridge and decided to go back and try to find the other one that I saw when I first moved here to photograph it, but no luck so far. Does anyone have any information on a covered bridge that might have still been standing in the area of Covered Bridge Road in the 90s?

    • macwhatley Says:

      There was no covered bridge standing in the area in the 90s, and you couldn’t have driven over the Skeen’s Mill bridge after the late 1950s.
      It was cut off from the road and closed with a chain link fence until the hurricane washed it away.
      The historical society tried to buy the property from its owner in Thomasville, but he refused to sell.
      After it was washed away he said the historical society could “take what’s left” but there wasn’t anything worth taking.
      The stone abutments are still visible to the north of the current bridge.

      • Mattie Says:

        Thank you so much for your quick reply! Do you know of any other bridge in the general area between Thomasville and Asheboro that would have been standing in the 90s? I distinctly remember visiting it several times. The road was paved but became gravel before the bridge. The year had to be post-1995 because I was not in this area prior. I look forward to driving down to Covered Bridge Road and photographing the stone abutments if I can locate them. Thanks again!

  6. david g. trotter Says:

    The Diary of Johann Gottfried Arends, Lutheran minister 1775-1802 who traveled to various congregations in the North Carolina piedmont, states that he performed two marriages at Uwharrie river, Dec26, 1775 between 1. Adam Dreher and Anna Margaretha Greimen (Greim) and 2. Andreas Hermann (Harmon) and Mallifautin? (Malli Fautz). Most all the Swiss-German settlers sailed from Rotterdam to Philidelpia, then south on the great wagon road. It is said many built rafts and floated down the Rhine river to Rotterdam to escape the turmoil of the 30 years war in Europe!!

  7. Shirley Gragg Says:

    Would like to talk with the person who wrote the article. Am interested in that portion of the Plat [lower left corner] that indicates PHILBURD WRIGHT property. If I am accurate, in 1822 that portion of Rowan County became Davidson County – which would put that property in another county now. As a descendant of Richard Wright, Sr. who left that property to his son, Philburd [who was under aged at the time], I would like to know where that property would be as of this time.

    • macwhatley Says:

      I wrote it, and put the map together in 1980. It’s all either from Randolph deeds or from land grants that were in the secretary of states office and now are in the state archives. I don’t think the pieces I put together cross into Davidson though they’d be not far from the line- less than a mile, I think.

      • Shirley Gragg Says:

        Thank you for the information. I’m sorry, but it’s important that I find out where that property actually exists/the map drawn out. There’s a cemetery where the ‘purported’ property of Philburd Wright of was supposed to be according to his father’s will. I realize I’m asking a lot from a 1980 idea of where a 1780+ piece of property is, but the exact location is critical to finding the cemetery.

  8. Jason Luck Says:

    Is the “Little Uwharrie River” the same as the “Little River” I see in 18th century Randolph County land warrants?

    • macwhatley Says:

      No, not at all.
      The Little Uwharrie comes west from Davidson County and meets the Uwharrie which heads in Guilford and Forsyth; they combine in Tabernacle township to make the Uwharrie that flows south into Montgomery county.
      The Little River heads on the Asheboro golf course and flows southwest into Cedar Grove and Union townships and south into Montgomery County.
      They are very distinct and separate watersheds.

  9. david g. trotter Says:

    In older deeds and maps, the Little Uwharrie was named Richland Fork of the Uwharrie..I have a copy of my ancestors deed which states that. He was Adam Varner..

  10. Mac Whatley Says:

    In older deeds the entire northwestern corner of Randolph County was referred to as the Rich Lands of the Uwharrie. That’s why the Little Uwharrie was sometimes called Richland Fork. It’s not normally called that now, since Richland Creek is the tributary of Deep River that goes through the NC Zoological Park in Grant and Richland Townships in the southeastern part of the county.

  11. david g. trotter Says:

    Yes, it makes it confusing to someone not famlier with Randolph and the surrounding counties, the duplication of creek names. Also a Richland Creek to the west in Davidson which flows into Abbotts Creek!!

  12. Amy Says:

    Hello, I am a Hoover descendent and I am putting together my family history.
    Do you have any other information on Andreas and Margaret’s other children? Jacob and Elizabeth? I currently have information on the Hoovers that lived at the Indiana and Ohio state line area and that information would help to verify and fill in some missing information for me.
    I have also been doing some research on the land that my ancestors owned and I am not finding it very easy. Can you give me some direction? Is it possible that there is still Hoover land in North Carolina, Indiana or Ohio that goes unclaimed? It was mentioned by a Great Uncle that passed 5 years ago that there is unclaimed family land that we need to claim.
    Thank you for the wonderful article on my amazing family.

  13. fortheloveoffaust Says:

    Very Interesting article!! Thanks for posting! I’m trying to track my Taylor family down from Randolph County. I’m having a difficult time understanding exactly what this deed I found on John Taylor is telling me. Looks like it’s dated 18 Apr 1804 but then it says it was entered 19 Dec 1792. The description of land says Hoovers line then south on his line 26 chains, 29 links to a black jack on a spur of Low’s Mountain.East 52 chains 50 links to a state in his own line. It mentions the land is on the waters of Caraway & Uwharrie. Deed Book 9, pg 299. Also, I don’t know who is selling the land and buying it. I think it says John Taylor grants the land to Joseph Prichard, a ______ of John Taylor. But it says that John Taylor 30 shillings for every hundred acre. The land was 150 Acres. I really want to know what word it says where I placed an ____ mark. If anyone can help me figure out if this was a military Grant to JT and he is selling the land to Joseph Prichard who is an assign? apprentice?? of John Taylor..I would be VERY grateful. Lastly, is this piece of land near Andrew Hoover’s land??
    Many thanks,
    Jen

  14. Bruce Allen Waymire Says:

    I am assisting Peggy Stone Tegel in locating more information for the second edition of the book The Search for John Rudolph Waymire. A couple of years ago I came across your article on the grist mills of North Carolina. I was following a lead about mill wrights. The map you show called “Map of the Uwharrie Dutch” region from MESDA Journal confirmed a location for the original Waymire homestead in North Carolina. What was the source of this map? Was it taken from an original that is still in existence somewhere? We would like to be able to include the map in the second edition of the book. Where would we go for permission? I would appreciate any help you could give on the subject.
    Bruce Allen Waymire

  15. macwhatley Says:

    I put that map together by drawing out every individual deed description and piecing them together like a puzzle. Because some deeds are missing, there are missing pieces of the puzzlle. Many of the earliest deeds came from the Granville land grant files that were at that time in the NC Secretary of State’s office. Some of those land entries still included copies of the 18th century survey plats. Now all these are available in the search room of the Dept. of Archives and History in Raleigh. But they are individual land grants, filed by Grantee name, not collected in any larger map. But I am confident that the Rudolph Waymire piece is in its correct position, because it followed the bend of the Little Uwharrie River exactly, and fit with the Andreas Huber tract across the river. All the other pieces were placed on the modern landscape based on where those two pieces fit.

  16. Bruce Allen Waymire Says:

    Thank you for the information and the hard work. Are you adverse to including your work in the aforementioned book?

  17. Bruce Allen Waymire Says:

    Several of my ancestors show up on your map. I am also descended from Andreas Huber (Hoover) Conrad Briles (Broyles) and areas Huber’s wife was Anna Margaret Pfautz (Fouts) probably a relative of David Fouts (a brother perhaps?) All very interesting!

  18. macwhatley Says:

    It’s fine with me to use anything in this blog in another work. The actual map in the MESDA Journal may be covered by their copyright; my map was on many pieces of taped-together tracing paper, so they redrew it for publication.
    The work I cited by Dr. John Scott Davenport about the “Uwharrie Dutch” has never been published. I last spoke with him about 2 years ago; I’m not sure if he’s still alive. But that should be the standard reference work about all of those Dunker families along the Uwharrie.

  19. Bruce Allen Waymire Says:

    John Rudolph Waymire (Johann Ludolph Wehmeyer) was a Lutheran. He was baptized and married in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Duederode Lower Saxony in Hanover as was his wife and two oldest children. He remained so in America. Some of his children became Quakers (they are listed in the several quaker meeting records from the time.)

  20. macwhatley Says:

    The only known German language church in the area was Mast’s Mennonite Meeting House. Dunkers didn’t usually have a separate building. Quakers are English in origin, but were the prevailing group in Randolph County, so 18th century people usually sent to those meetings. Baptists came after 1755, and Methodists after 1780. While the Uwharrie had representatives of all of the various Pennsylvania German sects, there weren’t really churches nearby. I think the closest Lutheran meeting was near what is now Thomasville. Most of the Lutherans in Randolph lived in the northwest corner of the county, around what is now Liberty. That community of Germans extended up into southeast Guilford and southwest Alamance counties. It was pretty much all Lutherans over there. The Uwharrie was a mix of everything.

  21. Donovan (Mast) Beyeler Says:

    Dr. John Scott Davenport passed away January 11, 2013 at the age of 87. He was living in Charlestown, West Virginia at the time and there was a memorial for him on Jan. 16 at Harpers Ferry, W.Va. He was a remarkable man and talented researcher. I had wanted to get in touch with him in 2012 but Mac Whatley suggested that he was in declining health and no longer had access to much of his research of Randolph County, NC. I declined to make contact because of the circumstances at the time. Thanks again for your help, Mac.

  22. Mac Whatley Says:

    Thanks so much for that update. The last time I talked with him, Dr. D. said he no longer had a copy of the Randolph county dunker manuscript, because he had sent them all around to potential publishers, and no one was interested. Hard to believe! He said the copy he gave our historical organization was the only one he knew of. I offered to send it back to him, but he said he had moved on, and didn’t need it any more….

  23. Bruce Allen Waymire Says:

    Do you know the date for the Rudolph Waymire land deed? We know they landed in Penn. in 1753 off of the Leathley. They stayed there for at least two years as they had to go into indenture due to the fact that the ship was supposed to go to South Carolina (where their arrangements would have provided land and farming equipment) but ended up in Penn. They also may have lived in another North Carolina county before moving to the Uwharrie. A date on that document would be helpful.

  24. Delores Hoover Noel Says:

    I am planning to visit NC in May, my main objective to locate the Hoover Mill site and the old Hoover cemetery where Andrew Hoover, my sixth great – grandfather, is buried.
    Will I be able to walk around the areas without getting permission from property owners on either site?
    Any information is greatly appreciated!

  25. Charles Valentine Says:

    I live in this area and am fascinated with its history. My lady and I walk a lot in the area for exercise and enjoy hearing tales about “the good ole days” from the locals and in life simpler times. I am a nature lover and while looking for information on the ability to kayak the water that is beside Hoover Hill Rd. I ran across this blog. Amazing the rich history of your lineage and thank you very much for the wonderful read.

    • Charles Valentine Says:

      I apologize but forgot to ask the question. Are there gold mines in this area? I was told they were on government land of some type and that Asheboro City owned land in the area also.

      • macwhatley Says:

        There are gold mines all over the area.
        The US national forest is about 15 miles south.
        The city of Asheboro owns the reservoir on the Uwharrie.

  26. Neil Hoover Says:

    Mac, The amount of research you’ve done is incredible! As a direct descendant of Andreas Huber and Jonas Hoover, I’ve done a fair amount of research myself. I wanted to add that according to the book, “The Genealogy of the Herbert Hoover Family” by Hulda Hoover McLean, Andreas was actually a supporter of and significant contributor to The Revolutionary War. He contributed $500 to the war efforts.

    In addition, the flood in the 1790’s wasn’t the only reason that many of Andreas’ children moved to Indiana. They were adamantly opposed to slavery and this was a major motivation in their decision to move.

    • macwhatley Says:

      Thanks, Neil. Just a word of caution about Hulda and the early generations of family historians inspired by the DAR and Herbert Hoover. It is often the case that ANY financial dealings with the state or local government counts as evidence that someone was a “patriot.” It the cavalry came through, took all his flour and corn meal without his knowledge or consent, and gave him a receipt that, after the war, he redeemed for reimbursement, I’m not sure that counts as voluntary “support” for the cause sufficient to become “a patriot.” This is very similar to the story in my own family that Samuel Trogdon, a miller on Sandy Creek, was a patriotic supporter of the war. Not that the Hubers couldn’t have been supporters; but if they were also such pacifist Quaker sympathizers as you say, any kind of support for the military government would have been beyond the pale. Life in colonial North Carolina was a LOT more complicated than a DAR application, or early family histories, ever recount. And so much of the early writings on the Hoovers in general suffers from the understandable hagiography that NC journalists during the Hoover administration wanted to build up to emphasize the link between NC and the new President from California. The “Uwharrie Dutch” region, to use the term of Dr. Davenport, had all kinds of convoluted German sectarian stuff going on, and the Huber mill was at the center of it. I think it’s more interesting to find out how different it actually was, than to perpetuate tenuous links to the traditional heroic Revolutionary Ancestor version of American history. Local militia General George Hoover, Sheriff of Randolph County from 1827-1840, was neither Quaker nor a pacifist, and owned a number of slaves. Then as now, families are complicated.

      • Neil Hoover Says:

        Thanks for the reply Mac. I agree that the Revolutionary War contribution could very well have been due to the military taking what they needed. I suppose we will never know the actual details. That said, the family obviously supported the formation of the country as they immigrated here, created a successful business and stayed here throughout the generations.

        Regarding the slavery issue, I am not a descendant of George Hoover and his actions in no way detract from the original family’s position against slavery.

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